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David's avatar

This is a serious, well documented and well argued.

Much, much appreciated, thank you.

What is amazing is how people who see themselves as serious progressives have swallowed Russian propaganda hook, line and sinker.

In Canada I have lost friends who think NATO provoked Russia’s invasion, blaming the victim for the agression.

Some of their justification is a simple hatred of the USA, a hangover from America’s war on Vietnam, they believing (blindly) that somehow the USA and this NATO (and Western Europe) are always the wrong, always to blame.

Now with the Trump-Putin alliance they are silent or falling back on arguments that Putin made four years ago that Russia is liberating Ukraine from The Nazis.

I wrote an article in a Canadian journal in response to a progressive Canadian professor who was taking this line.

It is three years old but is still relevant I think:

https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/correcting-mandel-why-arming-ukraine-is-the-road-to-peace

Richard Brenner's avatar

One does not have to be a "campist" to oppose the Ukrainian government's attempt to rip up the autonomy of Donbas - or indeed to oppose its irredentist claim on Crimea.

We can and must uphold Ukraine's right self determination at the same time as recognising that Ukraine itself is fighting against the right of self determination within and beyond its borders.

I remain firmly of the view that the working class movement should oppose both sides in this fratricidal conflict.

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