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Matthew T Hoare's avatar

Degrowth will require commoning and grassroots activity rather than top-down control, which is probably why the SWP leadership has trouble with it.

Andy Wilson's avatar

There is a greater problem with the SWP's view than the matter of degrowth as such, which is that they cannot think of nature other than as a tool or resource for humanity.

This was summed up for me by a meeting at the SWP Marxism school back in the late 80s / early 90s, when one of the CC asked whether there were any vegans in the audience, and when a few people raised their hands, said, "Well, go back to your own fucking planet!"

The interesting thing was not that, but the following contribution, from Alex Callinicos, who rushed to the mic to 'bend the stick' back in the right direction by explaining that people are concerned, eg., with declining fish stocks in the North Sea, not because of the fish, but because they sense what it suggests about how polluted 'our' waters have become, and thus how it affects them directly. The fish, as such, are NPCs.

With this commitment to the idea of the human as the sole standard of meaning, the SWP cannot ever 'get' the underlying problem behind climate destruction.

Of course, many other Marxists may be in the same boat in this regard, but Callinicos put it very directly and clearly, and no one demurred.

Naturally, anyone who puts the immediate needs of humanity above all other considerations is likely to support continued growth.

Question: I can't be bothered to read their stuff any more, so can someone tell me whether the pro-growth people really imagine that growth can continue indefinitely into the communist future? How do they explain that? Do they have a lot of faith in science to infinitely expand human power and ingenuity, or what? How does that work?

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